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Post by Bugz on Jan 12, 2010 19:01:08 GMT -5
For a natural it can be a real slog to keep your gains coming. So you should deffinitely look to use a natural testosterone booster to help. This is especially the case if your 28+ as this is when your natural test levels begine to decline.
Anabolic Designs have a great test booster out now, check it out!!!
Lets hear about your experiences with different test boosters. Bugz
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Post by manny on Jan 24, 2010 3:32:21 GMT -5
Bloody hell I'm 30 this year. It's all down hill from here! The stuff I was taking was AD 1 and Andro Male by Andro Tech labs. My strength has not really changed much but I have put on a shed load of weight.
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Post by Bugz on Jan 24, 2010 5:31:21 GMT -5
Ok cool, these are Pro-Hormones ye? What PCT will you use? Bugz
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Post by manny on Jan 28, 2010 16:46:20 GMT -5
They are indeed mate. Tamoxifen is usual pct but could use a good natural test booster. Took some stuff called Tribuloid a while back which was pretty good.
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Post by Bugz on Jan 30, 2010 12:58:42 GMT -5
Wicked. You need the test to restore test levels and the tamoxifen to combat the high estrogen levels, but Tamoxifen doesnt actually suppress estrogen levels. Did you experience any estrogenic side affects at all? Gyno, water retention? Also, any DHT sides such as shirnkage of the balls? Ad
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Post by manny on Jan 30, 2010 17:17:25 GMT -5
No estrogenic side effects at all. If anything I'm leaner than previously, so no wet gains. The stuff I used does not convert to DHT which is also a bonus. My strength has also gone up 2 weeks after finishing after the cycle. Also don't get any soreness and can quite easily train 7 days straight whilst on cycle. I put that down to eating at least 1 lean red meat meal a day though. Thinking about competing at some point but with the obvious floors of some missing body parts. You only live once though so may as welll give it a crack.
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Post by Bugz on Jan 31, 2010 7:24:15 GMT -5
Cool, sounds impressive. Ye lol, one missing trap but hey, just angle your body right Would be great to see you up there competing. Bugz
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Post by manny on Jan 31, 2010 15:11:11 GMT -5
I asked a physio about my lack of trap a while back and he asked me if I had tried standing up straight. Apparently that is the answer of a medically qualified man.
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Post by Bugz on Feb 3, 2010 17:57:20 GMT -5
LMAO, I love 'qualified' people!!! They dont half come out with some rubbish!
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Post by omy on Mar 8, 2010 10:38:08 GMT -5
There is a clear distinction betweeen natural testosterone boosters and steroid precursors and prohormones.
There are a number of natural products that do work !, the obvious being Trib. Although this seems to have a higher correlation when the subjects have suppressed test production.
There are some interesting others and interesting synergistic blends. Although the source, extraction methods andf therefore potency are the main issue as there are to many companies selling inferior product.
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Post by Bugz on Mar 29, 2010 4:52:08 GMT -5
Yes indeed there is a HUGE difference and dont get them confused. A natural test booster will simply stimulate your body's natural production, steroidal sources use synthetic hormones.
Trib has been shown to be inferior and many IFBB Pros tell me this when I speak to them. Personally, Horny Goat Weed, Long Jack, Fenugreek extract are far more superior along with some other ingredients. It appears as if Trib isnt keeping up with newer products anymore!
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Post by omy on Apr 9, 2010 10:18:21 GMT -5
On the subject of trib this really comes down to source, where the vine is grown the soil and the allitude. Trib is used by a number of IFBB pro's (particualrly post cycle) that have the right source the problem being in the discount market many companies prioritize profit of quality.
Chinese trib does not compare to Bulgarian, in Bulgaria it is a prescription product and it is proven to work for anyone with low or suppressed natural test production. I have some studies on athletes from the old USSR which are very interesting.
Many planet sterols such as methoxy, ton kak ali, ecdysterone and fenugreek (needs to be testofen) are great particualrly in sysnergistic blends with adaptogens and other amplifying factors such as Urtica dioica, these are truely phenominal.
Horny Goat weed (Epimedium) is better as a vasilator and works more for the pump or erectile dysfunction and has not real effect on the HTPA axis or testosterone production.
With all these things the source and extraction process are key, many people are disillusioned by many natural products due to poor quality source material. Take ZMA use Victor Conte's lab produced formula as oppossed to the many pretenders on the market and you feel the difference. Try Tribestan for trib and you will feel the fifference that why it costs what it does.
I really feel it is shame that many natural products get a bad rep but you sometimes have to ask why? What is the motivation? Where they using the real deal ?
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Post by Bugz on Apr 13, 2010 17:58:40 GMT -5
Great post
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